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do you know if it's 1080

so is it a good deal or not. I am waiting to get a flat screen and I don't know really what is a good price. Should I just get a new one?

jschuste wrote:Have you noticed how many Phillips TV's are being sold refirbished. That should tell you something about the quality...

Flawed logic. Suppose Company A makes a million boxes and ends up refurbing 50K, and Company B makes 500K and refurbs 30K. Which one has a higher refurb rate?

Plus, just because you don't see the refurb doesn't mean it's not being sold somewhere else.

One last point - a manufacturer with higher margins could, and might, choose not to sell (many) refurbs. It might choose other fates for its rejects.

purchased a Brand New VIZIO 32" LCD HDTV 1080i very similiar to this philips for $299 at Walmart. this is my 4th lcd hdtv and am very impressed with the vizio performance for the price.

w116tjb wrote:Pixel Plus, is a proprietary digital filter image processing technology developed by Philips, who claims that it enhances the display of analogue broadcast signals on their TVs.

Pixel Plus interpolates the broadcast signal to increase the picture size by one third, from 625 lines to 833 lines. It also doubles the horizontal resolution, although each horizontal line is analogue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixelplus

Well, thank goodness somebody has finally done something to improve analog signals...

...oh wait, I think they called it DIGITAL broadcast. Way to get ahead of the pack, Philips.

rdctali wrote:Man, don't you check other deals websites?
This price leaps into the vacuum.
New egg just had a Panasonic TC-L32X1 32" 720p LCD $334 after Bing CB, and that was a NEW set.

And I just bought a delicious apple fritter for $1.29.

Perhaps the price inhales, but comparing it to a price on a completely different item doesn't provide much evidence.

maremerlin wrote:do you know if it's 1080

yes i do

reservoird wrote:Flawed logic. Suppose Company A makes a million boxes and ends up refurbing 50K, and Company B makes 500K and refurbs 30K. Which one has a higher refurb rate?

Plus, just because you don't see the refurb doesn't mean it's not being sold somewhere else.

One last point - a manufacturer with higher margins could, and might, choose not to sell (many) refurbs. It might choose other fates for its rejects.

You are correct. Refurb is often how they blow out older models right before they introduce new ones... and they want the newer (and more expensive) sets in stores before Christmas shopping.

Don't assume that Refurb means they were returned. These companies build huge lots of these at once, which keeps the unit cost down. IT's much cheaper to build them that way, and the leftovers become woots. It's the circle of life.

MichaelSF wrote:As said when Woot has the Vizio, I'd wait and buy a TV during the holidays.

The economy is in the sewers of Paris big time (more than what anyone is letting on) and electronics are especially suffering.

I read in a number of places that the manufacturers will be unloading 2008-2009 stock for insanely low prices this year.

So I am waiting until Black Friday or December to buy a TV at CostCo.

If you can wait, that's what I recommend. CostCo extends any manufacturer warranty by one year. Plus they have the 90 days no-questions-asked cash refund policy.

The warranty is especially attractive for me. I have a nice Dell 26" LCD TV that stopped working one day. It's on a wall waiting for a replacement... from CostCo.

Bonus Tip: If you want to save a ton of money and live near San Francisco, cruise around my neighborhood on Nob Hill. People are putting on the curb mint condition Sony Trinitron and Wega TVs that they replaced with flat panels.

A Sony Wega is a beautiful TV but I can't ever go back to those space hogs and energy wasters. I saw a 32" Wega sitting in a stack of tossed elctronics on a curb a few blocks down my street. They even had the remote in a plastic bag taped to the TV. Now that's great customer service.

I'm one of those guys who gave a perfectly great Sony Wega that has been working perfectly for ten years. The picture was great. Never had a problem with it. I was praying for it to die so I could get a flat screen. I finally gave up and gave it to a friend for his kids. We broke our backs moving that beast. Now it works great in his son's basement and I am in love with my new 46" Samsung LED that I got at Sears with the price reduced $1000.00 and other freebies using my Sears charge.

I own this TV. I picked it up from Sam's Club two months ago for about 400 bucks. I have enjoyed it. The HDMI are plentiful, my Xbox HD stuff looks great, and Blu-Ray looks good.

32 inches is a great size for this set, not to big to put in the bedroom and still big enough to put in the living room.

Also this is tv displays in 720p, NOT 1080i or p. Note the Panel resolution: 1366×768p. Which is great for the Xbox, as most games are native displayed in 720p and can run to the TV via HDMI without any sort of conversion

A couple things to watch out for: if you are watching non-HD movies or tv, they look god-awful. Which, however, is endemic to HD TVs so you can't get too worked up about it. Don't wipe this screen with Windex or anything of the like, use a dry micro-fiber cloth. Something similar to what you would wipe sunglasses with.

What's the lag like on this thing?

I don't want to game on this if there is any significant video lag.

jeffwinz wrote:seems like a terribly low resolution for a 32" tv, and frankly it will be pretty noticeable

Most reviewers say you dont neep 1080p unless your tv is going to be over 40 inches. of course, it all depends on how close youre going to sit to it. but 720p should be fine for a 32 inch.

VESA Wall mounts go from $73.00 up to $165.00 for this TV

duckcake wrote:it says its VESA wall mount compatible, how much extra is that wall mount?

The VESA wall mount for this model goes anywhere from 63.00 to 165.oo

not many 'imputs'. no PC input either, this would be a no no for me. how old is this tv? based on the 'inputs' it may be an old one.

YouCantWootThis wrote:Well, thank goodness somebody has finally done something to improve analog signals...

...oh wait, I think they called it DIGITAL broadcast. Way to get ahead of the pack, Philips.

A digital broadcast doesn't change older recordings - try watching old tv reruns or old movies that haven't been enhanced. That is what this is for. An analog recording being broadcast digitally is still the original (scaffolding) quality. When HD sets came out that was the number one complaint and picture quality would often be much worse than the display of an analog set.

720p? 1080? Just what are we looking at here???

russell3382 wrote:This is a 1080i.

No, it is not. It is a 720p. It will accept a 1080i signal i.e. digital broacast tv from CBS, NBC, etc. but it will convert that to the screen's native resolution of 720p.

For anyone else who doesn't understand HD resolution, read this short article on CNET.

Amazon reviews are OK, but not many.

720p is basically equivalent to 1080i IMO.

Also, for a 32" TV, I believe 1080p is overkill. At a viewing distance of more than 3-4 feet, you will not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 32" TV unless you're really, really looking for it.

does anyone know if it comes with a warranty??

duckcake wrote:it says its VESA wall mount compatible, how much extra is that wall mount?

Wall mount could be anywhere from 25-50+. I think I've seen them cheapest at walmart but unless your very handy best to have someone install it for you. I bought a tv stand with a back mounting bar and it worked nicely, my tv is also VESA mounting capable. I can't wall mount in my apartment

I've owned this TV for about two months now. When I first bought it, I couldn't get anything to work on the component inputs. It seems that the top two connections (blue and green) are swapped or mislabeled. Since connecting blue to green and green to blue, it's worked just fine.

songdancer wrote:Evidently it is the 720p that won't work with Xbox. When we doing research for a larger sized big screen, they said one of the tests to see if 1080 would run on the tv was to hook up an xbox. Some of the newer tvs say they are 720, but will play from 1080 sources. Not all tvs will play from 1080 sources, however.

my xbox360 works on 720p.

bnedella wrote:might I point out that it is 1080i and 60 Hz

That's as in NOT p, and NOT 120

and only 2 HDMI inputs.

I point out that it's $309.99 and it's 32"

AND you're wrong about the HDMI's... there's 3.

I use this TV along with an HTPC with HDMI out. It's worth noting that NVIDIA graphics cards disable audio support for Philips TVs. This is probably NVIDIA's fault and not Philips, but it is annoying none-the-less if you plan on connecting a PC via HDMI.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/191.07/191.07_WinXP_Desktop_Release_Notes.pdf
... the NVIDIA driver disables HMDI audio for all Philips HDMI TVs, as these have been identified as having issues with current NVIDIA graphics cards.

Deffexor wrote:What's the lag like on this thing?

I don't want to game on this if there is any significant video lag.

The contrast ratio is 10,000:1. And the refresh rate is 8ms. So that's the time it takes a pixel to go from it's blackest black to it's whitest white.

So there won't be much lag on this for games whatsoever.

Don't purchase items from woot! You cannot exchange or return the purchase at all even the item has problems.

duckcake wrote:it says its VESA wall mount compatible, how much extra is that wall mount?

can get a wall mount for a very cheap price at monoprice.com

I have this tv. The sound quality is not the best, but it does the job. Hooking it up to a sound system seems to be the best thing to do.

The only problem I've had with it was the power button messing up a few times. Sometimes you have to push it 2-3 times in order for it to turn on/turn off. That might just be my TV, though.

Either way, this is about $100 less than what I paid for it, and the price is very good for the product.

Philips is usually pretty good when it comes to replacing or fixing their defective merchandise, just in case anything does happen.

duckcake wrote:it says its VESA wall mount compatible, how much extra is that wall mount?

You can get VESA wall mounts from most internet or brick-n-mortar retailers. I recommend checking out monoprice.com to find a compatible mount. I've ordered a few from them; they're inexpensive and sturdy.

jeffwinz wrote:seems like a terribly low resolution for a 32" tv, and frankly it will be pretty noticeable

720p is perfectly good for a 32". Studies have shown that the human eye can't distinguish between 720p and 1080p at the proper viewing distance of 9' for anything below 40" screen size.

It is however pretty low for use as a big old LCD computer monitor.

Does this thing have standard AV jacks? Can I play my old PS2 on it without having to get some form of converter?

I am just going to use it for a computer screen

rakoni wrote:Does this thing have standard AV jacks? Can I play my old PS2 on it without having to get some form of converter?

It does, yeah...but I would highly recommend buying component cables for your ps2, as the graphics will look like scaffolding on an HDTV if you use standard composite/AV.

For Example:

http://www.amazon.com/Component-2fV-Cable-Playstation-2/dp/B00005MDZD/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1256833065&sr=1-10

rakoni wrote:Does this thing have standard AV jacks? Can I play my old PS2 on it without having to get some form of converter?

according to the specs on CNET is has the standard RCA AV jacks, so you should not have a problem running a PS2 on it.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/philips-32pfl3403d/4507-6482_7-32908591.html?tag=mncol;rnav

Deffexor wrote:What's the lag like on this thing?

I don't want to game on this if there is any significant video lag.

8 ms.

Deffexor wrote:What's the lag like on this thing?

pamipa wrote:So there won't be much lag on this for games whatsoever.

leDouchey wrote:8 ms.

When they say the refresh rate is 8ms, they're talking about the time the physical panel inside the display takes to change from black to white (or sometimes from gray to gray). What that does not take into account is the processing delay associated with decoding, scaling, filtering, deinterlacing, etc. This processing pipeline can take up to half a second on some really bad displays.

Sometimes the lag is different for different inputs, sometimes it's not. Sometimes the processing functions can be shut off by selecting something like "game mode," sometimes they can not. It's completely up in the air, and some of the manufacturers still don't seem to understand that display latency is critical for the play of video games.

Beware of 120Hz and 240Hz displays too. The only way they can take a 60Hz input and interpolate to 120Hz or higher is to take two frames, calculate the one inbetween, and THEN start showing them. That means always at least 17ms of delay, unless you put them in game mode, which shuts off the 120/240 modes.

Gee, I would, but I can't, so I won't.